6-Handed Hand Orderings
In a previous blog post, I explained the algorithm used to generate hand-orderings. ProPokerTools has had hand orderings for hold'em, omaha, omaha-8, big-O, and big-O8 for quite some time now. The existing orderings were generated for a full-ring game; 9 players for the big-O games, and 10 players for the others. Now I would like to share some results from my latest hand-ordering adventure.
Are you ready for a full-out nerd-out data-dump? I thought so. Let's begin.
6-Handed vs. Full Ring.
I have just finished generating hand-orderings for 6-handed versions of five flop games. The results are below. "Distance" refers to how far a particular hand is in one ordering vs. the other. The distance is given both in the number of positions and a percentage of the entire ordering.
| game | average distance | median distance | max distance | moved more than 5% |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| holdem | 3.98 (2.35%) | 3 (1.78%) | 16 (9.57%) | 22 (13.02%) |
| omaha | 540.46 (3.29%) | 362 (2.20%) | 5050 (30.73%) | 3730 (22.70%) |
| omaha-8 | 461.35 (2.81%) | 319 (1.94%) | 3361 (20.45%) | 3008 (18.31%) |
| big-O | 3975.40 (2.96%) | 2883 (2.14%) | 33860 (25.18%) | 26436 (19.66%) |
| big-O8 | 3642.96 (2.71%) | 2409 (1.79%) | 36030 (26.71%) | 22938 (17.06%) |
We can see a couple of obvious patterns. On average, most hands do not move up or down more than a couple of percentage points. However, in all cases there are at least 10% of hands that move five percent or more.
Hold'em 6-handed vs. 10-handed
Let's take a closer look at the differences for 6-handed hold'em vs. 10-handed holdem since we only have 169 hand classes to deal with. Here is a listing of all the changes between the two orderings going from 10-handed to 6-handed, where a positive number is a promotion and a negative number is a demotion. I have only listed hands with a difference of eight places or more to reduce the noise. Suited hands are in parentheses.
- A9 10
- A8 8
- (98) -8
- A5 8
- (87) -10
- A6 15
- A3 10
- A2 9
- Q8 10
- (54) -16
- (64) -12
- (T4) -10
- Q7 9
- J7 9
- (53) -12
- Q6 14
- K2 8
- T7 11
- (43) -15
- (63) -11
- Q5 9
- Q4 9
- J6 11
- T6 12
- (42) -10
- Q2 9
- J3 8
Two patterns jump out; high-card strength is more important 6-handed, and suitedness and connectedness is less valuable 6-handed. Both of these patterns match most players' intuitions on hand strengths, so I'm very pleased with this result.
Run-to-Run Consistency
The algorithm used to generated hand-orderings is a stochastic process - many random trials are used to create a reasonably stable ordering. I decided to explore how much random noise is involved by generating the 6-handed hold'em ordering a total of ten times. The table below shows the difference between the first run and the other nine runs.
| run | average distance | median distance | max distance | moved more than 5% |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 0.93 (0.55%) | 1 (0.59%) | 6 (3.55%) | 0 (0%) |
| 2 | 0.88 (0.52%) | 1 (0.59%) | 6 (3.55%) | 0 (0%) |
| 3 | 1.02 (0.60%) | 1 (0.59%) | 8 (4.73%) | 0 (0%) |
| 4 | 1.03 (0.61%) | 1 (0.59%) | 9 (5.33%) | 1 (0.59%) |
| 5 | 0.89 (0.53%) | 1 (0.59%) | 9 (5.33%) | 1 (0.59%) |
| 6 | 0.95 (0.56%) | 1 (0.59%) | 6 (3.55%) | 0 (0%) |
| 7 | 0.96 (0.57%) | 1 (0.59%) | 7 (4.14%) | 0 (0%) |
| 8 | 1.04 (0.62%) | 1 (0.59%) | 8 (4.73%) | 0 (0%) |
| 9 | 0.98 (0.58%) | 1 (0.59%) | 6 (3.55%) | 0 (0%) |
As expected, there is some noise from run to run. But in all cases there was at most a single hand that moved more than 5%. This reinforces my oft-repeated claim that the hand orderings are useful as a rough guide, but shouldn't be trusted at too fine a level of detail.
Generations
The hand-ordering algorithm repeats the same process over a number of generations, with each generation becoming more 'accurate' with a doubling of the number of random trials. The idea is that after a while the ordering becomes relatively stable. Below is a listing of each generation in the 6-handed omaha ordering and how it compares to the prior generation.
| generation | average distance | median distance | max distance | moved more than 5% |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 (first) | n/a | n/a | n/a | n/a |
| 2 | 1930.77 (11.75%) | 1439 (8.76%) | 13311 (81.00%) | 10998 (66.93%) |
| 3 | 1417.24 (8.62%) | 1033 (6.29%) | 9779 (59.51%) | 9404 (57.23%) |
| 4 | 1029.30 (6.26%) | 737 (4.49%) | 9423 (56.35%) | 7653 (46.57%) |
| 5 | 740.68 (4.51%) | 530 (3.23%) | 5704 (34.71%) | 5802 (35.31%) |
| 6 | 524.36 (3.19%) | 372 (2.26%) | 4288 (26.10%) | 3630 (22.09%) |
| 7 | 372.15 (2.26%) | 267 (1.62%) | 2795 (17.01%) | 1882 (11.45%) |
| 8 | 260.11 (1.58%) | 185 (1.13%) | 1983 (12.07%) | 647 (3.94%) |
| 9 | 185.86 (1.13%) | 131 (0.80%) | 1213 (7.38%) | 119 (0.72%) |
| 10 (final) | 132.76 (0.81%) | 94 (0.57%) | 1193 (7.26%) | 8 (0.05%) |
It is clear from the data that 10 generations gives a relatively high level of stability, with only a tiny fraction of hands moving more than 5%. Hold'em, omaha, and omaha-8 orderings all ran for a full 10 generations.
The 5-card omaha variants ran only for 6 generations [UPDATE 6/12/2012 - 8 generations] due to the increased computational load (and my desire to get my computer back after the weekend), hence they are inherently less accurate than their brethren. However, this is probably mitigated by the very large number of hand classes in the 5-card variants (134,459 to be exact) which should cause some of the inaccuracies to average out (for example, if JT(987) is rated a bit high, perhaps hand classes such as JT(98)7, J(T98)7 and (JT9)87 will average it out).
How Many Hands In Common?
The table below shows the number of hands in common between the 6-handed and full-ring orderings for several hand ranges.
| game | top 10% | 11%-20% | 21%-30% | 31%-50% | 51%-100% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| holdem | 90.91% | 81.82% | 84.38% | 89.47% | 98.20% |
| omaha | 92.06% | 77.63% | 68.80% | 78.70% | 94.92% |
| omaha-8 | 94.01% | 87.20% | 79.48% | 82.67% | 95.81% |
| big-O | 92.57% | 79.15% | 69.34% | 80.76% | 95.79% |
| big-O8 | 94.92% | 87.57% | 80.45% | 83.41% | 95.80% |
The data shows that premium hands in one ordering are almost always premium hands in the other. The biggest differences appear in the medium-strength hands, those in approximately the top 15%-35%.
Some All-in Equity Results
The data below shows hand race results for each game. Each entry lists the full-ring equity and then the 6-handed equity. Equities are for the top 10% hand.
| game | 10% vs. 11%-20% | 10% vs. 21%-35% | 10% vs. 11%-20% vs. 21%-35% |
|---|---|---|---|
| holdem | 63.95%/65.10% | 66.55%/67.02% | 47.37%/47.90% |
| omaha | 58.47%/59.18% | 60.25%/60.84% | 40.84%/41.40% |
| omaha-8 | 55.23%/55.37% | 57.71%/57.95% | 39.37%/39.34% |
| big-O | 55.91%/56.06% | 57.36%/57.58% | 38.63%/38.89% |
| big-O8 | 54.58%/54.66% | 57.59%/57.68% | 38.99%/38.96% |
We can see that in all cases but one, the equity for the top 10% hand increases under the 6-handed ordering, although the improvement is never very significant.
Ordering Files
Below are the data files for the new 6-handed hand orderings:
Data Overload
I think that's enough data for now. If there are some more data points you would like me to collect, feel free to comment here and I'll see what I can do.
posted by ProPokerTools @ 10:08 AM
9 comments
9 Comments:
Awesome work. Can you publish the handordering for Omaha Hi 6max as you did here: http://www.propokertools.com/orderings/ohordering.txt That would be nice to do some rangework ourselves. Thanks again for doing this! A
I've added links to the ordering files at the end of the post. Enjoy!
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Would you think that the model should change for limit and no limit holdem? Accounting for bigger average pot size with certain types of hands.
Are the FR rankings published somewhere? Are there HU rankings? What is your educated guess for the reason behind the increase of high card value in 6max and the decreased importance of suited cards? Does the model account that in FR there will be more people on the flop on average?
I am really curious about the following:
If you modify the program to continue play one more step, to the flop, where on the flop the hand h that you are evaluating puts a pot size bet and each other player calls if they now have any pair or better, and any draw with 8 outs or better, and folds otherwise. From there, the board is dealt out as usual.
This is a very realistic setting, approaching the actual dynamic of real games. What hands will be best then for each starting amount of players?
I'm trying here to counter the "see the hand through to the river" approach, as most times players will fold in face of aggression if they didn't improve on the flop, and I'm curious which hands will work best to execute this kind of "blunt force" tactic.
Thank you very much for the work you do!
Hey yo great great job but when I make some simulation between two hands sometimes i found some mistakes for example you say (A3)(K3)>(JT)(J5) but when i use propokertool i find that (A3)(K3)<(JT)(J5) and i found other mistakes like that. is that possible that the simulation is false?
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I would prefer to see 9 handed rankings, since few games (especially Omaha and/or live) are 10 handed. Also it should be pretty easy to estimate differences if a player is added (10) handed or subtracted (8 handed). Again assuming a 9 handed game, it is pretty common for one player to be sitting out temporarily.
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